Episode 18: Legally Unblonde
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If you are a podcaster or a blogger, this is a show you do not want to miss. We speak to Los Angeles based attorney Gordon Firemark about all things copyright and specifically how copyright affects you, as a podcaster and blogger.
Gordon shares his expertise free of charge with us, to explain how we can avoid some potentially curly situations with our podcast, and the content we put in it.
So now you’ll have a better idea about the steps you need to take to protect yourself against infringing other people’s copyright in your shows.
We also answer your questions on the show, so if you have something you’d like to know about then drop us a comment on the blog, or send an email to podcastersemporium@gmail.com and we will be happy to cover your question in a future show.
About Gordon P Firemark
Gordon Firemark is an attorney whose practice is devoted to the representation of artists, writers, producers and directors in the fields of theater, film, television,and music. He is also the publisher of Entertainment Law Update., a newsletter for artists and professionals in the entertainment industries. His practice also covers intellectual property, cyberspace, new media and business/corporate matters for clients in the entertainment industry
Mr. Firemark serves on the Boards of Governors of The Los Angeles Stage Alliance , (the organization responsible for the annual Ovation Awards for excellence in Theater) and The Academy for New Musical Theatre. In the past he has served on the Board of Governors of the Beverly Hills Bar Association , where he served as liason to the Association’s Entertainment Law Section (of which he is a former chairman).
Mr. Firemark holds a B.A. in Radio, Television and Film from the University of Oregon, and earned his law degree at Southwestern University School of Law. Before opening The Law Offices of Gordon P. Firemark, Mr. Firemark was a partner with the Business Affairs Group, a boutique entertainment law firm in Los Angeles. He has also worked in the legal and business affairs departments at Hanna Barbera Productions and the MGM/UA Worldwide Television Group, and started his legal career as an associate at Neville L. Johnson & Associates, a West L.A.firm specializing in entertainment litigation.
Gordon is an alumnus of the Commercial Theatre Institute, and is also an accomplished producer of stage plays and musicals. He serves as CEO of Fierce Theatricals , which produces small cast musicals, cabaret shows and regional tours. He has been involved with the entertainment industry in one way or another since his youth as a sound, lighting, and special effects technician in the theatre. Prior to becoming an attorney, he worked in the television industry, producing and directing live sports telecasts, public affairs programming commercial announcements, documentaries, and industrial videos.
Mr. Firemark teaches Business Law at Loyola Marymount University, and has offered courses in Theater Law at Cypress College, and Entrepreneurial Studies at California Institute of the Arts. Mr. Firemark has served as a moderator and featured panelist at seminars sponsored by the Beverly Hills Bar Association, California Lawyers for the Arts,Theatre LA, and the Oregon Artist’s Rights Coalition. Hehas also been a guest lecturer at Southwestern University School of Law, Loyola Law School, California Western School of law, UC Irvine, and California State University, Northridge.
You can follow Gordon on Twitter @gfiremark
You will find Gordon’s podcast Entertainment Law Update at: http://entertainmentlawupdate.com/
Source: firemark.com
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Hey guys… Great show, very interesting (as usual).
Canadian copyright law is similar to US copyright law where anything put into a “tangible form” is considered copyright by the creator. While Canadians can also register creations with the Canadian Copyright Office (http://www.cipo.ic.gc.ca), there are fees involved (around $50 per application) and a lot of time required for the Copyright Office to process your requests. This is a major stopping point for a lot of people who are wanting to register their copyrights.
I do Photography and Graphic Design, and I was always told that a “cheap” way to ensure your copyright here in Canada is to print out or save to CD a copy of your photograph or design and send it to yourself by Registered Mail. When you receive the Registered Mail, you have to sign for it and there is a record of the date of receipt kept with the Post Office. Then you take this Registered letter and file it away, unopened, for the future. Then if something comes up where your copyright is called into play, you have a dated record of your creation date to go back to.
I’m not sure how well this would hold up in court though, maybe Gordon could comment? Your mileage may vary.
Regarding Sony Sound Forge and Sony Music Studio–Unfortunately they both appear to be Windows-only software. I’ve gone all Mac now, so I would need something that is Mac oriented. I currently use Audacity for the stuff that I play with and I find it works well enough for what I want it to do. And the price is right. NCH Wavepad appears to be a Mac solution, so I should probably have a look at it as well.
by Herne
on 28. Sep, 2009
Hey Hern and thanks for the comments! Here in Australia I too have heard of the mail it to yourself trick. As you same not sure how that would stand up in court. I think too there night be a difference internationally. That is one of the big issues – protecting your work on an international stage. This trick was great before the Internet changed everything :)
As you say we need to run it by Gordon! He will be back I am sure we had a great chat and left many unanswered questions.
Thanks for dropping by and commenting!
by Dave Gray
on 28. Sep, 2009
Hey Dave! I think the important thing is to prove that you created something before someone else did. I can’t imagine it would matter which country you were in. If I create something 2 months before you and can prove it, then I should own the copyright. But I’m not a lawyer. (and everyone breathes a sigh of relief.)
by Herne
on 28. Sep, 2009
Hi guys,
Let me chime in on the so-called “poor-man’s copyright” tactic of mailing a copy of the work to oneself.
Sadly, it’s really not worth much. The trouble is, that in most countries, the registration system is the only “official” way to prove that a work existed at a certain point in time.
The postal services in most countries won’t vouch for the fact that an envelope contained anything at the time it was mailed. And, since it’s possible to mail an un-sealed envelope, the fact that you’ve got a postmarked envelope is essentially meaningless.
Registered mail may be a bit more “official”, but given the cost, copyright registration is the better solution. In the U.S., and in international cases, registration of the copyright is required before the lawsuit can begin.
Also, in the U.S., if the work is registered within 90 days after its first publication, the plaintiff will be entitled to ‘statutory damages’,( rather than having to PROVE how he/she’s been damaged by the infringement). Early registration also entitles the plaintiff to recover attorneys’ fees.
by Gordon Firemark
on 28. Sep, 2009
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by My guest appearance on Podcasters Emporium | The Law Offices of Gordon P. Firemark | Entertainment Attorneys
on 28. Sep, 2009
Thanks for the comment, Gordon!
The thing about copyright registration is that it’s weighted mostly in the “infringer’s” benefit, at least in cases where it’s “big business” versus “Joe Public.” Forcing people to register their copyright with a government office is usually cost-restrictive to most people, whereas big businesses see it as just another tiny part of their production costs.
To put it in perspective, I took 8000 photos on one of my trips to the UK with an thought of perhaps selling some of my photos as stock photography. If I offered only 1% of those photos as stock and had to register copyright on each, it would cost me over $3000, plus all of the paperwork involved. So obviously most people are not going to go to the trouble of registering copyrights on all of their work unless it is their sole means of support and it is likely to be copied.
The Copyright Office even goes as far to say that they are not responsible for items that are lost in the shuffle. So even if you’ve submitted your work for registration, it could get lost. That isn’t to say that things DO get lost, but they can.
We’ve also seen instances of Big Business taking someone’s work from websites like Flickr and deviantART and using that work in their commercial products and then claiming, “We thought it was public domain,” or “We hired a Designer to create the product so we’re not at fault.” Knowing that MOST people are not going to register their copyright for everything they put on the Internet. (In fact, I think it was an Australian phone company that took an image from Flickr and was using it as a bus shelter advert.) So it’s cheap for them to close their eyes and use downloaded content because they know that it will only be a small percentage of people who come back at them for it.
All I have to say to people who post images on the Internet is to be sure to use visible watermarks on them, because the next person who uses it might be a big business. And for big businesses that hire a Designer: You are still responsible for the content used.
by Herne
on 28. Sep, 2009
Interesting show. APRA (Australian Performing Rights Association) provides licences to play music in a variety of situations from mainstream commercial radio, to your local cafe.
However there is nothing obvious about podcasting in the internet section of their site.
http://www.apra-amcos.com.au
Depending on the price of the licence, that would be an option as it covers all music without the need to do it on a song to song basis. Although I guess there would be jurisdiction issues as the podcast would be available outside Australia as well.
by Tom
on 30. Sep, 2009
Well this episode certainly answered a lot of questions for me regarding music being used in podcasts. I’m almost to the point of just making my own music so that I don’t have to worry about it at all. I’m going to have to search through some of those podsafe music sites and see if they have anything I like.
Also, thanks for the tip about the bigcontact’s feed player for the blog site. I got it setup and it’s working great.
Glad to see you back with a new episode. I’m looking forward to the new episodes. So much to learn! Oh and thanks for the mention on the last episode.
by Steve Eason
on 01. Oct, 2009
This show answered a lot of questions for me, especially if i’m going to put together a podcast and if some of my friends start a band so they have some guidance in that area. Thanks a lot for this podcast.
by Frank
on 01. Oct, 2009
man-o-man. i really gotta get back over here…Dave, James, great show once again. really really informative and I am looking forward to the return of the “Podcaster’s Lawyer” :)
by Chris
on 03. Oct, 2009
I learned a lot form this show. Thanks! My question which I posted on the blog back in June on Episode 16 is “what can you legally use for music on your podcast?” I understand that I need permission or a license but where can I find music like creative commons music that I can use. I am very low budget. I am very willing to give credit but I don’t want to pay for the music.
by Marion
on 13. Oct, 2009
Hi,
This is John living in what would be your past, since I’m only up to episode 18. Have to say that was another stunning show, thank you so very much for your efforts.
I can’t wait to catch up with all the latest shows. When I finally re-launch my podcast, I know it will be better after I have absorbed all the good info you guys have shared.
by John Stephenson
on 07. Mar, 2010