Episode 12: The Ins and Outs of Mixers
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This show is dedicated to choosing a mixer that is right for you. We examine the things you should be considering before purchasing a mixer, and describe some of the pitfalls you should avoid when outlaying money for your equipment. In this show we answer your listener questions as well.
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The equipment and software we discuss in the show:
XENYX 1002FX RRP AUD $179.99
- Analogue
- 2 Mic XLR Inputs with Independant Gain
- Phantom Power
- Loads of AUX Inputs
- 100 On Board Effects
- A lot of Bang for Buck
- ALESIS iMULTIMIX8 USB RRP AUD$679
- Digital or Analogue
- 4 Mic XLR or Mono Jack input with independent gain
- Phantom Power
- USB connection (acts like a sound device on PC)
- 100 built-in 28-bit digital effects
- Mac and PC compatible
- Mix from iPod to console
- Output to iPod, PC via USB or device via analogue
- Indpendently control iPod input or output levels
ALESIS PROTRACK
- On board condenser mics or 2 XLR inputs with phantom power
- LED level metering
- Time and Date stamping
- Record directly to your iPod
- 16-bit, 44.1kHz or 22kHz stereo digital audio
- 4 AAA bateries or power
SHURE X2u XLR to USB Mic Adapter
- Turns your XLR Mic into a USB Microphone
- Plug and play
- +48V Phantom Power
- Mix control for blending Microphone and audio playback
- 1/8″ Headphone Jack
- Integrated pre-amp with Mic gain
- 16-bit 48khz sample rate for playback
- Expected Availability: April-June 2009
- MX Skype Recorder
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James Williams and Dave Gray





Hey guys… Good show on mixers. I think you covered most of what I wanted to hear. I’m sure the show could have been much longer and more detailed.I’m glad you answered the question of how to connect the mixer to the computer–I was going to ask!Also, what about sound cards? Do they have any impact on your recording? I have an Audigy2 sound card which has a few extra bells and whistles on it. When I bought it I was thinking of the Firewire port that it has and I figured I would use with external drives, but so far all I’ve bought is USB2 drives. The Audigy2 also comes with a software mixer program.So next should you talk about mixing down and editing the recording to the finished product? Or possibly which program(s) you use to record your audio? (I’ve been using Audacity to make comments to the AGP and a Logitech USB Clearchat headset.) And of course, you need to do something on how to record properly from Skype.Dave, you were talking about bandwidth. Is that bandwidth up or down? I have 512k up, 7 MB down. I imagine download speed would have an impact on recording.
by Herne
on 02. Mar, 2009
Herne, I was on my way to bed but really wanted to answer your comment so I have fired up the laptop :)Sound Cards: In my opinion a few years ago we reach a point where the actual quality that a sound card is able to produce pretty much got to a point where it was not necessary to make it any better. Yes there are ones that do but for the average computer geek and podcaster there is no advantage. The mega expensive ones are really for recording studios.What has changed is things like surround sound (read number of output channels) and things like those few bells and whistles, THX output and stuff like that – these features are aimed squarely at gamers. I bought an Audigy Sound Blaster card and I think I paid 80 bucks for it. Honestly I can see an advantage of buying more expensive sound cards – there is better things for the podcasters to spend their money on that will make bigger gains.In my opinion you can get as good a sound as we get using the onboard sound that comes with most PC’s as standard these days.As far as post production goes I don’t want to go into huge detail because that really is more shows that I have fingers for! BUT what I can tell you is that I used Audacity to both .wav edit and mix 10 podcasts. I then purchased SoundForge for .wav editing and post production (things like compression and normalisation – both of which should be done before mixing!). Once edited I then mix the shows I produce with Acid Music Studio, an excellent and very affordable multi-track editor and a massive time saver. Yes it is a lot quicker and more capable than Audacity for multi-tracks. Both products are from Sony and are really the half-way house between Free and something like Audition. But we WILL be covering this in future episodes!My bandwidth is 8MB down and 384(?) up something like that at any rate – the up might be out by 2 or something :P But while the down is very important so is the UP remember that Skype is a 2 way street. Where the rot sets in is that most of us have a faster speed down than up. When you are doing nothing this is fine for Skype. But because of how this type of connection works it robs from the up when you are forcing down… probably easier to try this yourself – Upload a file somewhere with FTP and then try and surf the net – slow as a wet week right and nothing like the 8MB you are used to… Same thing happens when your using Skype – load a web page and your down is affected a bit – but usually not that much because you have a lot to spare – you have in theory – split it in half – Skype copes fine with that. Now the same can not be said for your voice going UP stream – Your upload speed is a lot slower – split or half that and your going to hear the effects sooner than you will with your download or what your listening to from the other party.You can recreate this effect by using FTP while in a Skype call and getting the other party to record their end of what you sound like. Awful generally btw!Not sure if that makes it clear but I think if you read that a few times and then try the practical you will get the idea.Take home is that BOTH up and down are important for Skype – but your upload speed is effected the most because there is usually less of it to spare.You speeds are fine for Skype recording BTW. More than mine is!Hope that answers your questions adequately and goes some way to indicating to you and listeners why Skype is a hard beast to tame. Not impossible but your getting the reasons behind why we are putting it off for a bit and tackling these fundamentals early so that you guys are more competent with your gear and able to counteract the difficulties that Skype is going to throw at you. I don’t want to make it sound impossible but there are a lot of factors to consider!Hope that helps Herne. I would also say that you have done a great job with your comments and you audio that you have sent me for use with the AGP. Thanks! Both James and myself are looking forward to you sending us some here!!
by Dave Gray
on 02. Mar, 2009
I made a boo boo – I did say I was on my way to bed!This statement:”Honestly I can see an advantage of buying more expensive sound cards – there is better things for the podcasters to spend their money on that will make bigger gains.”Was supposed to read:”Honestly I can’t see an advantage of buying more expensive sound cards – there is better things for the podcasters to spend their money on that will make bigger gains.”Amazing what a difference one letter can make and because of that one I thought worth correcting!!
by Dave Gray
on 02. Mar, 2009
Thanks for taking a few minutes out of your sleep-time to answer my questions, Dave! That really helps and I’m sure that it answered a couple of other people’s questions.Re: my audio comments–You wouldn’t believe how long it seems to take to make a 5-minute audio comment! But then I don’t usually do the whole comment straight through and I often go back and tweak bits of it. Audacity is nice because it allows me to cut-and-paste between tracks to get what I want and it’s pretty user friendly for the non-audio geek like me.I’ll have to work on some sort of audio comment for Podcasters Emporium, I just need to think of something useful to say!
by Herne
on 02. Mar, 2009
Good show guys. I saved it for a drive so I could focus on what you were saying. Dave, you mentioned the model of the mixer, but not the brand. Seems we talk in Aussie dollars on this podcast maybe do lowest price from a google search rather than RRP, PCUser mag in Australia stopped quoting the RRP a long time ago because you can often get it a lot cheaper online.And lets face it, if were are listening to this podcast we are online!So for Daves mixer the cheapest I found online was $135 (inc shipping)http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200302420737 and for James mic was $345http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200315854614Oh and you didn't mention about "compression" built into the mixers if that is a good or a bad thing.Oh and does the podcaster mic James have gain and level controls? As from episode 11 I took this to be an important consideration on why I should get a mixer. Thanks guys!
by Scratchy
on 02. Mar, 2009
Great comments so far. I think Dave has done a great job of dealing with Herne’s questions, so I’ll focus on Scrathy’s message:Great questions. Dave and I both do compression in the software side, I am not familiar with the benefit of having this incorporated into the mixer. Personally I like the ability to control compression until all the editing is done. Dave do you take this approach too?I am going to discuss two microphones now from Rode. THE PODCASTER, and the PROCASTER.The PODCASTER is a USB microphone and has no gain, or level. It does however have a headphone output volume control, but this is not the same as gain or level. With the PODCASTER microphone you will need to control your record levels in your recording software.You may also want to consider this new XLR microphone from RODE called a RODE PROCASTER. This microphone seems to be based on the popular broadcast-quality PODCASTER except it’s a XLR connection which will go into your mixer. The PROCASTER is somewhat less expensive than the RODE NT1-A and I will likely upgrade (downgrade in terms of cost) to this model shortly, because it is less ‘fiddly’ than the RODE NT1-A in terms of the way you have to use it. Listen to Episode 11 to hear what I mean.Here’s an Australian EBay link:http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Rode-ProCaster-Broadcast-Quality-Dynamic-Microphone_W0QQitemZ260334882243QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Pro_AudioDave may have some more thoughts in terms of on-board compression on mixers, but as I haven’t used it I really don’t have an opinion on this.I hope this information helps!James
by James Williams
on 02. Mar, 2009
As far as cost of items etc: I'll have a chat to James, but in my opinion – If we don't use RRP that means that we then have to go out and source the "best price" –> that adds to what we have to prep and then do we take the cheapest regardless of source? Clearly there are some online retailers that we should not be buying off. Personally I don't really want to be responsible for someone being ripped off. Next thing is if we are going to take the cheapest reliable online retailer – that implies that we have checked the retailer and can "vouch" for them. Personally not a step that I am willing to take either.As I see it RRP gives the listeners a basis. We all know that we can probably get the items cheaper online. That is a given – but the RRP at least sets a basis and and ground level to measure against. I would like to leave the bargain hunting to you guys!What we do give you in the show notes is all the info you need to look up and find out about the gear and source from where you are comfortable shopping – because that's going to vary as well.Be good to hear others opinions based on my perspective and as I said James and I will discuss it off air and come up with a standard for the show.My Mixer: While I did not mention the brand I did mention that they have and equivalent that this link in the show notes: XENYX 1002FX. Your right though I did not mention that Behringer make both mine and the rebranded “XENYX” – mine is essentially identical minus the brand name.Regarding onboard compression: In my opinion this is an added complexity that is not necessary. I have always done compression in software AFTER the primary edit and before mixing. That gives me far greater control over what is compressed and how. But that is just what I do.There are podcasters out there that DO use compression and things like “noise gates” before it gets to the computer. Generally these ppl are few and far between. It also takes some knowledge greater than that required for software compression to pull it off successfully. Believe me you can have huge disasters with this type of kit.As I said it also adds cost and complexity that I just don’t think is worth the headache. I have had great success with software compression that comes in most if not all wav editors – even Audacity has it!So if you want my opinion – not a bad thing but an added complexity and cost that is unnecessary for podcasters.Sorry we did not mention this on the show – it was an oversight. We were busting to get everything in that people mentioned! We will reiterate on the show though :) Sorry!
by Dave Gray
on 03. Mar, 2009
All good guys, what a freaking goldmine of knowledge! Maybe when you interview people ask them for there top 5 tips.Seems your doing so much giving, here is a tip I’ve picked up (you might like them, I’m certainly no expert).Do your ID3 tags to your MP3 file in iTunes. This makes sense as 98% of people listening will be doing it through a iTunes interface of some sort so this ensures compatibility. So drag and drop the file into iTunes when you’ve made it a MP3, right click, select “Get Info” and edit. All those podcasts on your ipod that don’t have coverart showing haven’t been editing their tags in itunes.
by Scratchy
on 03. Mar, 2009
Funny thing is Scratchy that neither James or myself use iTunes for modifying or adding MP3 ID3 tags to our podcasts.Compatibility actually is not a factor with adding them using iTunes. iTunes doesn’t care where they come from as long as they are the right format.I don’t want to go into huge detail because I’ll be chewing up content for other shows, BUT I will say that I use a shell application which enables me to right click on an MP3 and go to audio properties and change the tags and album art. Only compatible with XP though. James uses a different tag editor that is compatible with Vista.The reason I don’t use iTunes is because at the time I started podcasting I did not use it. I also don’t want to lengthen the time to edit in iTunes – opening, adding the track, modify the tag, save it, remove the track, close iTunes… you get the idea.Using the tag editor that I do it takes about 20 seconds to do the tags. BUT for the average person that DOES use iTunes it is a capable tag editor, but I would recommend using it for occasional use as there are faster more powerful tools out there for podcasters.Thanks for dropping us a comment and suggestions, these are just the reasons and why I personally don’t use iTunes.
by Dave Gray
on 03. Mar, 2009
Interesting show as always!Am I right in thinking that James does the mixing for this show? If so it kind of backs up the assertion that there isn’t much increase in output quality between a cheaper and a more expensive one, as the AGP that Dave does sounds just as good.Speaking of which I’ll be interested in hearing more about how you do the Skype stuff. The Podcasters’ Emporium, the AGP, and 2Schooners are by far the best Skype recorded shows I listen to. I won’t name names but I stopped listening to one show even though it had good content as the skype recording and mixing was so abysmal – multiple different levels, and loads of background noise made it unlistenable to.You’ll be pleased to know that you sound much better on my brand new sand-free iPhone headphones! :)
by Tom125
on 04. Mar, 2009
Oh come on Tom naming is great fun :)Personally this is something that we on this show are trying to prevent. That is listeners leaving your show because it has bad audio and production quality. If I was one of those podcasts that you stopped listening to I would want to know that was the reason and make some moves to make it better.Who not write to them and let them know you unsubscribed and why. Then send them over to Podcasters Emporium!Thanks for the comments and the praise, it really makes this podcasting gig worthwhile!
by Dave Gray
on 04. Mar, 2009
Hi guys,Great show as usual. I’m really enjoying what you are doing here and I can see this as a prime reference for starting- and established podcasters.Since you’ve mentioned mixers and the setup podcasters can use, I’ve written an article on how I use that 1002FX together with Skype in a way that allows me to record directly into Audition while using a Skype “plugin” as backup (remember the conversation we had some time ago Dave?) and avoiding the feedback loop common with this setup. You can find it at http://www.photonetcast.com/2009/podcasting-equipment-and-recording-behind-the-scenes-of-photonetcast.htmlAnyway, the mixer has made a ton of difference in quality and I completely agree when you say that besides the mike, is something that should be considered a good investment by all podcasters. Just my 2 cents.I’ll be here waiting for more great content.
by Antonio Marques
on 04. Mar, 2009
Thanks Antonio for taking the time for leaving a comment – I was wondering if you were listening to the show. I really appreciate the listenership (if there is such a word :P)I left a comment on your blog post – glad that you wrote about it and maybe will help a few people here that want to have a crack at it.Thanks also for the praise of the show. We are really enjoying bringing this content to you guys and we are hoping that it is helping podcasters of all shapes and sizes.Also glad that your enjoying the benefits of a decent rig! Have fun and good luck with your show!Be great to start getting audio comments from you guys using all this new kit your rushing out and buying! Oh and send those promos in!! Otherwise we won’t be playing anything at the end of the show!
by Dave Gray
on 05. Mar, 2009
If I was listening to the show?! Are you kidding me? Of course I’m listening… It’s a gold mine… nugget after nugget.And thanks also for the comment over there.As for the promo, I’ll definitely take you up on that one. Will follow shortly :)
by Antonio Marques
on 05. Mar, 2009
A really nicely produced professional sounding podcast. Well done guys.Very good content as well.
by Richard Farrar
on 10. Mar, 2009
I found this show especially helpful when buying a mixer. i talked about it on my blog http://marionvermazen.blogs.com/marions_blog/2009/05/improving-my-podcast-quality-installment-1-buying-a-mixer.html
by Marion
on 17. May, 2009